Decibel: Speaking of influences, what were Carcass'?

Jeff Walker: A complete hatred of hair metal wimpy poseur bands. And no, wearing that Motley Crue shirt nowadays is not "cool" or "kitsch" or "post ironic" - it's completely "gay." Was then, still is, always will be.

Decibel: If you could recommend some new influences to the Carcass clone bands out there, what mix tape, er, CD burn would you make them?

Jeff Walker: I would do a CD compilation of every new breed metalcore ATG rip off good cop/bad cop vocal-ed band in existence and make them listen to it repeatedly so they know their enemy well and remember why they're grinding.

"Death metal died in 93. Anybody who plays it today is either lying or a loser"

Still one of my favorite quotes.

Dissector said:

what happened in 93?

Back in 93', My old band opened for them on the Heartwork tour. That dude, Jeff Walker is a pompous Dick. People were calling out for Reek and Symphony songs and He just told the crowd to get with the times and just played Heartwork songs.

death metal died! where were you?

that was the night they drove old dixie down

anonymous said:

I was 10 years old.

Patnomalous said:

Bill Steer fucked up his vocal chords and couldn't growl anymore without risking the chance of permanently ruining his voice. That's pretty much why they stopped doing all the older dual vocal songs. Well at least that's what he told me when I meet them in 94.

davefromthegrave said:

gee, youve come so far!

The Death, Carcass, Pestilence tour that came to Boston...

Aaahh....one of my fondest childhood memories.

Almost all my fave death records were in the late 80s, early 90s, but still, I don't agree with Jeff on a few of his statements.

One word, Jeff: Poland

Carcass died after symphonies of sickness

I think I may like Heartwork the best overall, only for total number of amazing riffs, but I do agree that album doesn't quite define the true Carcass sound. Symphonies of Sickness is definitely amazing and their defining record.

wade said:

can anyone PLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE find an audio of this... i smell a throwing shrapnel sound byte.

Patnomalous said:


This is VERY true as my older brother who was into thrash metal in 1988 saw Carcass in 1993 and people did the same thing and the guy said the same thing. He hung out with them after the show and said that Mr. Walker and the drummer were not friendly. Mike Amott OTOH was cool he said.

my bro said Necrotism was a classic

Necroticism is also quite good.

wade said:

That's funny since Shout at the Devil is 1000x heavier than the last 2 Carcass albums, which were completely gay. Were then, still are, always will be.

^ that's the dumbest thing ever said. ever. Even Heartwork's "slow song" No Love Lost, rips Motley Crue and the title track...fuck, dude!

Yeah, I was going to say....Shout at the Devil is heavier than Heartwork? Heartwork was tighter than Vince Neil's pants.

No.

but Motley Crue had Pentagrams!!

and yeah, NO.

i think in this case, and correct me if i'm wrong Josh, he's saying Shout at the Devil was heavier in that it kicked way more ass. not necessarily in terms of actual heaviness.

but again, i could be way off base here.

There were tight leather pants, terrible lyrics, and aerosol aplenty on Shout at the Devil, but there was no 'Arbeit Macht Fleisch', 'Carnal Forge' or 'Blind Bleeding the Blind'.

So I have to stick with my original no.

i farted

Just be glad you didn't do it around Shout at the Devil, combined with all that hairspray we could have had an inferno.

hahahaha

reading this thread was entertaining from start to finish

for various reasons, similarly, I enjoy all the carcass albums. But for different reasons.

Wow, anyone who likes Heartwork is a gay.

Shout was pretty fucking heavy for '83. Heartwork coming after Reek, Symphonies, and even Necroticism was total assfuckery.
Gay as fuck record. I rememeber throwing it against a wall when I got my advance copy. If I want Megadeth riffs I'll listen to Megadeth. Carcass is for grinding, not stupid, watch-me-solo, life metal.

Fuck Carcass for not liking early Motley Crue and also for wimping out worse than anyone this side of Metallica.
I'm glad their major label stint was a short lived flop. They didn't deserve to get rich off that crap.

Patnomalous said:

That happenned at pretty much every show on that tour.
Motley Crue can still play their heaviest stuff and Mick Mars has that fucking bone disease. Carcass couldn't play Burnt to a Crisp anymore if their lives depended on it.

Again, fuck Carcass. Total sell outs.

Josh_Martin said:

Hehe. I'm sure Carcass regrets the fact they didn't consult you for career choices on the musical direction of their own band.

I've already been gay since 1997 though, when I started recycling, so I'll keep enjoying my Heartwork.

DrinkHardThrashHard said:

They should've consulted someone, anyone, besides who they did consult because they got some really bad fucking advice. I can imagine Carcass sitting in Columbia's offices listening to hours of "Hey, it worked for Metallica, it'll work for you" and them getting blinded by the dollar signs. If they'd lasted another album afer Swansong they would've had short hair and makeup like Load.
Every band that Walker is ragging on was more successful than Carcass. He just sounds bitter that he fucked up his career.

I suppose I should cut some of you some slack. Hearing Heartwork as your introduction to Carcass at age 17 in the late 90's is quite a bit different than waiting impatiently for the new album from one of your favorite bands to show up in the mail and when it does its a total fucking sell out.

wade said:

Hypocrite barely begins to describe the irony of this quote.

Motley Crue were never good musicians. Carcass were always good musicians. That's all I have to say on the matter.

And Heartwork is not a sell-out. There's no way I will believe that they made that album with money in mind, and it isn't like it made them a shitload of money anyway. It made them slightly more popular than they already were because they changed to slightly more popular music, but to compare that to the popularity of Metallica is completely ludicrous.

retzam said:

What are you basing that on? I think that's both irrelevant and wrong at the same time.

Josh_Martin said:

Well, my introduction to Carcass was the 'Flesh Ripping Sonic Torment' demo in 1987, and I love their first three records in addition to Heartwork. I guess I just wasn't too surprised since I would read inties with Walker/Steer even before they did the Columbia record, and they usually covered the fact that they wouldn't be happy making the same record twice, which they didn't. That said, I'm not a fan of Swansong in the slightest, nor the post-Carcass Blackstar Rising. I think it has a lot to do with increased Amott songwriting for Heartwork, he seemed to follow through with a lot of that riffing in Arch Enemy.

retzam said:

You don't sign to a major label because you DON'T want to make a lot of money.
You don't drastically alter your sound in a much more commerial direction because you DON'T want to make money.
Wake up and smell the true Carcass.

They wanted to be Metallica. They failed, thank God.

DrinkHardThrashHard said:

Ok, you don't get any slack, gaylord.

Josh_Martin said:

Exactly right! Why do you even post here? You are a complete waste of space who has nothing better to do than put down everyone else's musical taste on a website that's filled with content you obviously hate. Go find a community that you fit into already. Gaylord.

Josh_Martin said:

Hey, it's a fair trade as far as I'm concerned! I'll take the no slack, remain gay, continue to enjoy Heartwork (as I have for over a decade), and continue to despise Motley Crue, who were so damn commercial from the start, through their own admission, that several of them moved to a trendy rock'n'roll city to become famous. After all, playing arena glam metal in the 80s isn't selling out one iota!

DrinkHardThrashHard said:

Motley Crue set out to be rock stars. That's exactly what they did.
Although they did totally gay out on the 3rd record. But that's not the point. Jeff Walker is bashing band for being gay when his band was just as gay. Shout at the Devil for '83 is a billion times heavier than Heartwork was for '93. There's not even an arguement there, that's a fact. Slayer wore makeup back then too, y'know.
Mr. Walker can go fuck himself.

Josh_Martin said:


I'm not saying they didn't want to make money. Most people DO want to make money, and I'm sure the guys in Carcass did too. Musicians usually want to be succesful, so if a major label wants to sign them, they will usually sign. And although melodic death is a more commercial route than grind (if you can even call any of their albums besides their first grind) melodic death is still very not commercial. If they really wanted to make tons of money and "be Metallica", they would have helped revolutionized nu-metal, like Metallica did.

I don't really think Motley Crue are really bad musicians, but I think they're barely better than any other hair metal band that was out there. They just happen to be the arena rock band that got the most attention cause they had some interesting guitar riffs without sacrificing any glam-rock nonsense. And it wasn't really as relavent as I thought it was at the time. It was more of a way to express my opinion that Heartwork is a hell of a lot better than anything Motley Crue ever did.

And besides, not only do I disagree with you about Shout At The Devil being heavier than Heartwork, but I'd also like to raise the point that Shout At The Devil isn't even as heavy as the shit Black Sabbath was doing more than a decade before.

was nu metal around in 93?

eddie said:

Not to my knowledge.

Carcass was horrible I heard one of there songs and it was stupid gay. Nothing is heavier than Iowa by Slipknot, it's totally sick if you guys have never heard of them you should check them out.

hahahahahaha

Dissector said:

gotta agree !

shrapnel ! said:

Shouldn't it say

"Death metal died in 93. Anybody who plays it today has a drummer who isn't a cripple."

davefromthegrave said:

Pff, I was 4.

Death Metal was born dead and it's over 21 years old.

HEY, LET'S ALL GO LISTEN TO OPRESSOR'S COVER OF "LOOKS THAT KILL"

Yeah, and let's listen to 'Red Hot' by VONDUR too!

Josh_Martin said:

Reek was my introduction to Carcass. So I agree with you.

i'm going to agree with Josh here. although i'm not a fan of motley crue AT ALL, i don't think it matters much for the point of the argument. and for the record, heartwork was the 1st carcass record i ever heard also. i felt then as i do now, very unimpressive. after hearing that record, i couldn't believe those guys used to be heavy and it took me a long time to get into them because i was afraid everything else would be that lame.
mr walker has some good points, but knowing what direction his career went in, he sounds like a fool.

motley crue rules

I met them back when they played the channel,they all were wicked cool to me,As far as music,I only own the first 2 CD's

First 3 Carcass Cd's rule. The fourth is very polished. Not horrible but, very Megadeth-ish. Swan Song is gayer than San Francisco....."Keep on Rotting in The free World", Ouch! That's just Fucking Stupid. Mr.Walker, from what I read not long ago, he's trying to get a label to release a CD of all country covers he's trying to get made, I'm not making this up. He just always shits on Death Metal anyways.

Patnomalous said:

jeff walker can do,say whatever he damn well pleases wether its country,gospel or mcdonalds commercials the man's a legend and has a real good sense of humor to boot...

Anonymous said:

Yes, he's a legend. Carcass was awesome. Jeff Walker's a tool. my opinion. I'm nobody, just a guy with opinion.

Patnomalous said:
maybe you wouldn't be a nobody if you concentrated on something other than judging jeff walker...

Anonymous said:

Maybe you wouldn't be a nobody if you didn't post anonymously.

Anonymous said:

Yeah, You got me Mr. or Mrs. Shithead. I got no right on judging some one who use to put out good albums. You probably like Swan Song any ways, which shows what kinda person you probably are. I like early Carcass. I met and played a show with Carcass. I have a negative opinion about some one who acted like a asshole. Kinda like you.

Patnomalous said:

now your juding me and jeff walker,you just dont get it do you?

when I was like 15 I had heard some Carcass stuff, and wanted to buy an album. I didn't know what to buy so some idiot reccomended Heartwork to me.

I hated it so goddamn much, and was so disappointed over how different it was from what I had heard. Fast forward about 8 years when I found it in a closet, sold it on ebay for $3 and did the Icky Shuffle over having the fucking thing out of my house.

Now if I could just get TBone_r to finally pick up the Jerome's Dream cd he bought off me a year ago I'd be straight.

anonymous said:

.....i guess so random person with no name.

Wow, I just listened to this shitty album Heartwork again. It's so terrible, really...

Too bad Carcass obliterates anything Motley Crue have ever done.

Not to mention "HEARTWORK," is not a shitty album, its very melodic and complex, obviously you cannot understand the beauty of the album since your stuck in your butt rock trend.

AUTOPSY_666 said:

I like this line. that's clever John

Ok, to everyone who argued with me in this thread, I checked out the article and Jeff Walker himself states that Veruca Salt is heavier than Funeral for a Friend. Whether or not Funeral for a Friend sucks or not, saying Veruca Salt is heavier than anyone this side of Dan Fogelberg is far crazier then me saying Shout at the Devil is heavier than Heartwork.
Funny how none of you mentioned that quote. Selective memories abound here.
So all of you fuck off. Walker is still a total faggot and this gay-ass country music album he's doing just proves that even more.

"Passions" is on right now, and I'm having a hard time dividing my attention betwen that and this thread. Please try to only post during commercials, guys.