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returntothepit >> discuss >> NEW MAC USER GRIEVANCE THREAD by arktouros on Mar 26,2010 11:50am
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toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 26,2010 11:50am
I got a huge new 27" iMac on my desk at work. I have to make computer lab images, manage xServe, and use it as a test monkey. I also intend on doing random unix stuff on it. That's all well and good. It's one big beautiful proprietary piece of shit, dual core Intel, 8GB DDR3, Radeon 4800, 1TB hard drive.

I KILLED THE "LAUNCHD" PROCESS (explorer.exe equivalent) and THERE'S NO WAY TO RELAUNCH IT WITHOUT RESTARTING THE COMPUTER.
In Windows I can always hit Ctrl+Alt+Del and start/kill any process no matter what state the OS is in. Not so with this thing.

THERE'S NO EJECT BUTTON ON THE CD DRIVE.
You have to eject it via software key commands and it takes forever to eject a CD.

IT'S ONE SELF-CONTAINED UNIT.
Can't open it and repair/replace/add a damn thing.

I CAN'T MAXIMIZE WINDOWS.
The fucking "plus" button on the top left of the window only makes the window bigger step-wise depending on the program. I want one button to command whatever program to take up the whole screen. Doesn't happen.

THE FILE EXPLORER GUI DOESN'T SHOW A TYPICAL UNIX FILE PATH.
So to figure out where I am in the file system I have to click on "Path" to get some icons that show what folder level I'm in, and try to guess the text equivalent of the folder path.

THE MOUSE.
It sucks.

THE KEYBOARD.
A full-size laptop profile keyboard. Why?
the Control key is in the same place as a PC but has an entirely different function. Then there's the Command key. Both words pretty much mean the same thing.

There's TWO DIFFERENT KEYS THAT SAY "DELETE" and THEY BOTH HAVE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS.

NO CHANGEABLE BIOS SETTINGS.
I have to enter in super-cryptic key combinations to change boot options.

GAMES.
There's like 5 games for this thing.

I could keep going all day.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Mar 26,2010 11:52am
the new mac mouse is great



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Mar 26,2010 11:52am
you should have just listed what it does right.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Mar 26,2010 11:52am
So, I suppose saying that unless you use MAC for music recording, video editing, digital art, etc , etc you're wasting your time with MAC would be superfluous, eh?



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Mar 26,2010 11:53am
ark, can't you get them in trouble for sexual orientation discrimination?



toggletoggle post by xanonymousx at Mar 26,2010 11:58am
ok, you could have got a full sized keyboard for free.
you could have got the other mouse too, but that sucks as well
you can add ram/ hard drive stuff easily
i do agree about the games. but blizzard and card games are all you will ever need right?
it's all about mame and emulators for me.



toggletoggle post by xanonymousx at Mar 26,2010 11:59am edited Mar 26,2010 12:00pm
also for games hook up a ps3 or xbox to your monitor via mini display shit is tight.

CMND+OPTION+CTRL+8 do it



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 26,2010 12:05pm
The new bluetooth mouse is indeed nice. It just doesn't have seperate buttons. I hate pressing the same button in a different place to hit a different button.

Messing with GarageBand is fun for a couple minutes. The photo/video programs are designed well. Photoshop is the same as Windows though. The benefit you get with the Mac is the amazing screen/color technology. The screen is the only good thing about it. But again, if the backlight dies, I have to send it away to get it fixed.

Really, there's no other way to say it, this is the flaming homosexual of computers. I don't hate it, it's just different, and I'd rather work with a PC.

This is what MA state taxes bought. I was talking to the CIO today and he said we could have gotten 300 new PCs or 60 new Macs. Since Macs switched to Intel the two platforms have converged, and apparently we can spontaneously support Macs with no extra training or raises in pay.

We're replacing the art and music labs with Macs. They have perfectly functioning dual-core PCs now though, with software that does the job extremely well as it is. To me there was absolutely no reason to make the switch, but the budget managers didn't listen, and here they are.



toggletoggle post by xanonymousx at Mar 26,2010 12:08pm
if someone never used a mac before in there life it is a very hard switch, esp for someone like you, there are programs where you can run windows, or even install windows on the mac.

art and music labs having macs is cool, but everyone without training that's tough



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 26,2010 12:09pm
xanonymousx said[orig][quote]

you can add ram/ hard drive stuff easily
i do agree about the games. but blizzard and card games are all you will ever need right?


Unless I'm missing something this is literally 2 pieces of metal glued together. Don't see how to open it...and I really don't care to, haha.

That's true about the games. I guess Steam games will be supporting Mac soon so of course I'll be installing that.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 26,2010 12:11pm
xanonymousx said[orig][quote]
if someone never used a mac before in there life it is a very hard switch, esp for someone like you, there are programs where you can run windows, or even install windows on the mac.

art and music labs having macs is cool, but everyone without training that's tough


right, I do intend on dual booting/virtual with Windows, I've actually been using the terminal more than the fluffy GUI.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 26,2010 12:12pm
xanonymousx said[orig][quote]
also for games hook up a ps3 or xbox to your monitor via mini display shit is tight.

CMND+OPTION+CTRL+8 do it


Is that the tiny video port back there? I'll be trying that.



toggletoggle post by Greazy at Mar 26,2010 12:36pm
brian_dc said[orig][quote]
So, I suppose saying that unless you use MAC for music recording, video editing, digital art, etc , etc you're wasting your time with MAC would be superfluous, eh?


I'm not sure that this statement is still valid. I use my PC for all music and recording needs (this is often) and I have zero problems with it. I believe this was a proliferated statement back when PC's had really terrible driver problems... (aka Plug and Pray)



toggletoggle post by beleth  at Mar 26,2010 12:47pm
arktouros said[orig][quote]

THE MOUSE.
It sucks.



I found my reason for never owning a mac.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 26,2010 12:52pm
Yeah, another thing about the mouse, it doesn't move at a constant speed. It accelerates according to how fast I move it. If I just want to move across a few pixels, I have to move the mouse slowly, and across a greater distance for it to hit the target. It's like the mouse has an old dirty trackball in it.

Seeing if there's an option to fix this.



toggletoggle post by beleth  at Mar 26,2010 12:55pm
Oh man, fuck that! There has to be an option to disable that.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Mar 26,2010 12:57pm
there are 3 things on a mac that I want on the PC
spotlight
mutlitouch gesture laptop mouse
opeth



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Mar 26,2010 1:04pm
Greazy said[orig][quote]
brian_dc said[orig][quote]
So, I suppose saying that unless you use MAC for music recording, video editing, digital art, etc , etc you're wasting your time with MAC would be superfluous, eh?


I'm not sure that this statement is still valid. I use my PC for all music and recording needs (this is often) and I have zero problems with it. I believe this was a proliferated statement back when PC's had really terrible driver problems... (aka Plug and Pray)
No, macs got that from when schools got subsidized deals to bring mac costs down to 1.5x pc costs. They sold these deals so that education would eat it up. Thankfully with the PPC and memory channel's they had plus fw, it sort of made it ok cause the technology was better. Of course apple completely abandoned the Power PC chip set for the cheaper intel chips. completely removing any advantage they have. Oh well, atleast the playstation3 uses a PPC based chip and that is why it's so awesome.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Mar 26,2010 1:06pm
also, macs didn't have drive issues cause everything was approved/licensed by mac or it wouldnt' so anything.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 26,2010 1:15pm
^ both true.

No option to fix this mouse acceleration thing. Not good at all.
And I have the mouse speed cranked to 100%, it's still dragging around.

The Windows 7 search is sort of like Spotlight I think. Or maybe Google Desktop is more like it.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 26,2010 1:18pm
Grievance #124523: NO HEADPHONE JACK/AUDIO OUT.
Grievance #124524: NO VGA/DVI VIDEO OUT.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Mar 26,2010 1:24pm
google desktop and win7 is like spotlight is like saying that a shitty zune or shitty creative zen is almost like your 64GB ipod touch.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 26,2010 1:25pm
touche.

One thing that is awesome - I can call up a stack trace of any process.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Mar 26,2010 1:27pm
in windows, you need msdn installed to do that.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 26,2010 1:33pm
it does have an audio out. proprietary video out tho.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Mar 26,2010 1:49pm
use linux



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 26,2010 1:54pm
linux is great. linux is free. you get the headache you pay for.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Mar 26,2010 1:57pm
I love how you made this thread but love your iPhone



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 26,2010 2:06pm
haha, I like it because I don't have to carry around a laptop, phone, GPS, mp3 player, alarm clock, internet, etc, and it's hackable so you're not locked to first party software. I don't like it because it sort of forces you to use itunes, spends too much power on rendering a nice GUI, and because of that the battery life suffers. I don't sit there and use it too much, but it does what I want.

The Mac desktop is a different issue coming from a PC. The disk imaging system is easy though, at least



toggletoggle post by xanonymousx at Mar 26,2010 2:15pm edited Mar 26,2010 2:17pm
arktouros said[orig][quote]
Grievance #124523: NO HEADPHONE JACK/AUDIO OUT.
Grievance #124524: NO VGA/DVI VIDEO OUT.




What?

get a mini display to dvi then a dvi-hdmi



toggletoggle post by (_)_)|||||||||||-) at Mar 26,2010 2:16pm
I say good sir, I do agree with your statements. In return for thread I give







[IMG]http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5994/1267306678761.gif/IMG]



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 26,2010 2:25pm
^ fail

^^ yeah I found it. Still proprietary, still don't like it
Installed a bunch of software. Almost done messing with this for today.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Mar 26,2010 2:49pm
I hear it has a latte dispenser, that's got to count for something?



toggletoggle post by mutis  at Mar 26,2010 4:50pm
My first computer was a first gen imac. Fuck em. I got a mac pro tower now (and a macbook). All-in-one's should be reserved for laptops and arcade machines.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 29,2010 10:37am
So far this morning I've managed to freeze this thing 4 times.

Adding a local user to the remote management list, the system locked up completely for 5 minutes, then it let me get to the activity monitor and kill that window. But then the activity monitor froze and so did Safari.

If I want to click on something near the icon tray, the words on the icon tray pop up in front of my mouse, and it won't let me click behind the word.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 29,2010 11:02am
I close programs but the process stays running. This happens with all types of browsers, without fail. I go to install a program and it tells me to close these other applications that are already closed.

The mouse acceleration is really pissing me off.

I'm glad I still have my real computer so I can get actual work done. This Mac is a toy. Glad I didn't miss anything by avoiding Macs the past 18 years.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Mar 29,2010 11:03am
U MAD?



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 29,2010 11:38am
YES.



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Mar 29,2010 11:58am
how the fuck is launchd the explorer equivalent?



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Mar 29,2010 12:01pm
i was pretty sure launchd was a the replacement for xinetd



toggletoggle post by ark at Mar 29,2010 12:10pm
launchd is the basically the window manager i guess, it combined a few older unix processes. all i know is when that process dies, i have no GUI, no way to start term, and no way to get functionality back.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 29,2010 1:57pm
ALL the text on rttp is now appearing as lines ____________ in firefox. WTF did I press?

It's also losing sync with our domain every hour or so.

You have to buy Apple Remote Desktop. It's not included like it is with windows. But Microsoft remote desktop for mac is free, so I can remote to my windows machines. Another fail.



toggletoggle post by DYA is @ NET at Mar 29,2010 2:01pm
LOL @ u "computer"



toggletoggle post by xmikex at Mar 29,2010 2:03pm


This non-threatening black youth says you're doing it wrong.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 29,2010 2:22pm
All non-threatening black youths are Scotty Pippen.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 29,2010 2:38pm
If 2 people are using VNC for a remote session to our mac server, it loads up the same user session and we can both control the inputs at the same time. It doesn't create a seperate user session and allow session requests.

I know this is inherited from unix but that is just retarded.

Totally bumping this thread for myself now.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 29,2010 2:55pm
Unless I'm missing something you can only TAB between text fields in a window. You can't TAB through check boxes or buttons. It's making you use the mouse for that. I hate this mouse.



toggletoggle post by xanonymousx at Mar 29,2010 5:28pm
just because you close a browser doesn't mean its closed you have to make sure you quit it.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 29,2010 5:33pm
haha..yeah...close and quit is different. One problem solved. I'm still not used to the all-inclusive menu at the top.



toggletoggle post by slarchetype at Mar 29,2010 5:36pm
arktouros said[orig][quote]


THERE'S NO EJECT BUTTON ON THE CD DRIVE.
You have to eject it via software key commands and it takes forever to eject "Blackwater Park" so I can put in "My Arms, Your Hearse."



toggletoggle post by Steve Jobs at Mar 29,2010 5:39pm
It has been brought to my attention that this person is not happy with my product. After reviewing such claims of discomfort, it has become quite apparent that he was a loser who was raised on Microsoft products. His way of thinking is one dimensional and quite frankly, his arguments amount to nothing. This person has a biased agenda of hate and shall stop using this product if it does not suit his "needs."
Here at Apple, we pride ourselves in our products. We receive many similar complaints a year and simply ignore them. These are the kind of people I hope stop using our products. These Microsiftians are corrupt, simple-minded, and quite frankly, unjust. They are idioticin every way, shape and form.
This "arktouros" character is too much of a pussy to send us his formal complaint so he posts them on a music message board, of all things. This is not the right way to go about such things.
We, Apple, condemn such behavior and will not be held accountable for any future violent actions arktouros does.

Sincerely,
Steve Jobs



toggletoggle post by Billy G. at Mar 29,2010 5:58pm
Steve%20Jobs said[orig][quote]
It has been brought to my attention that this person is not happy with my product. After reviewing such claims of discomfort, it has become quite apparent that he was a loser who was raised on Microsoft products. His way of thinking is one dimensional and quite frankly, his arguments amount to nothing. This person has a biased agenda of hate and shall stop using this product if it does not suit his "needs."
Here at Apple, we pride ourselves in our products. We receive many similar complaints a year and simply ignore them. These are the kind of people I hope stop using our products. These Microsiftians are corrupt, simple-minded, and quite frankly, unjust. They are idioticin every way, shape and form.
This "arktouros" character is too much of a pussy to send us his formal complaint so he posts them on a music message board, of all things. This is not the right way to go about such things.
We, Apple, condemn such behavior and will not be held accountable for any future violent actions arktouros does.

Sincerely,
Steve Jobs


I am going to infest you with more cancer, faggot.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Mar 29,2010 6:14pm
LOL, thanks Steve, your iPad is the future of mobile computing.



toggletoggle post by ark posting on iPad at Mar 29,2010 6:19pm
lol just kidding, this is aweeeesooommme



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Mar 29,2010 8:33pm
ark said[orig][quote]
launchd is the basically the window manager i guess, it combined a few older unix processes. all i know is when that process dies, i have no GUI, no way to start term, and no way to get functionality back.


finder is the window manager

launchd is to launch/manage processes.... this is your problem broooosaaph


sudo killall Finder
in terminal



toggletoggle post by ARKTOUROS at Mar 31,2010 4:47pm
VMWare Fusion is the best thing that happened to Macs. Now that I have Windows 7 running inside OSX I can't complain anymore.



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Mar 31,2010 5:00pm
Steve%20Jobs said[orig][quote]
It has been brought to my attention that this person is not happy with my product. After reviewing such claims of discomfort, it has become quite apparent that he was a loser who was raised on Microsoft products. His way of thinking is one dimensional and quite frankly, his arguments amount to nothing. This person has a biased agenda of hate and shall stop using this product if it does not suit his "needs."
Here at Apple, we pride ourselves in our products. We receive many similar complaints a year and simply ignore them. These are the kind of people I hope stop using our products. These Microsiftians are corrupt, simple-minded, and quite frankly, unjust. They are idioticin every way, shape and form.
This "arktouros" character is too much of a pussy to send us his formal complaint so he posts them on a music message board, of all things. This is not the right way to go about such things.
We, Apple, condemn such behavior and will not be held accountable for any future violent actions arktouros does.

Sincerely,
Steve Jobs


Opeth fan.



toggletoggle post by sigh at Mar 31,2010 9:25pm
You can buy mini display port to hdmi out adapters now. Don't know why apple in its infinite wisdom decided to go with this "industry standard" that only they seem to use instead of just putting hdmi on the damn things like everyone else is doing these days. Wait...yes I do, so they can charge you a fee for an adapter.



toggletoggle post by Wet Blanket at Apr 1,2010 8:30am
Do not encourage him to use the tools of the devil. Steve Jobs will roast like a pig, tied over the fires of old silicon stuff with a mouth stuffed with a proverbial Apple. Tom Cruise will attempt to put out the fire but will be overtaken by the toxic fumes of his body modifications burning. Death to sinners.



toggletoggle post by Martins   at Apr 1,2010 8:41am
sigh said[orig][quote]
You can buy mini display port to hdmi out adapters now. Don't know why apple in its infinite wisdom decided to go with this "industry standard" that only they seem to use instead of just putting hdmi on the damn things like everyone else is doing these days. Wait...yes I do, so they can charge you a fee for an adapter.


The next Macbooks are rumored to have HDMI out.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 1,2010 8:57am
MACS ARE AWESOME.11111!!!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Apr 1,2010 8:57am
April fools.



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