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returntothepit >> discuss >> Wolves in the Throne Room - Black Cascade by MikeOvDecrepitvde on Apr 7,2009 8:14pm
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toggletoggle post by MikeOvDecrepitvde at Apr 7,2009 8:14pm


Recently aquired. A solid follow up, and one of the better Black Metal releases of late.

Blogspot that shit or just buy it!



toggletoggle post by AndrewBastard at Apr 7,2009 8:24pm
Hipster black metal!



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Apr 7,2009 8:28pm
Berets in the Forest.



toggletoggle post by MikeOvDecrepitvde at Apr 7,2009 9:21pm
AndrewBastard said[orig][quote]
Hipster black metal!





toggletoggle post by sever at Apr 7,2009 10:18pm
I love how black metal elitefags are so quick to jump on the bandwagon of dissing anything that isn't low-fi mayhem worship.



toggletoggle post by Dankill at Apr 7,2009 10:26pm
Sound like you recorded an album with a boombox inside of a trashcan on mono = KVLT



toggletoggle post by My_Dying_Bride at Apr 7,2009 11:23pm
sever said[orig][quote]
I love how black metal elitefags are so quick to jump on the bandwagon of dissing anything that isn't low-fi mayhem worship.


i wouldn't call myself an elitist by any means, but these guys don't really do it for me either, i picked up that EP vinyl they just put out and it was pretty whack. it seems to be a trend in some US "black metal" to mix drone/noise with black metal.... plus i read one of their interviews and they sounded like hipster douches.



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Apr 7,2009 11:31pm
Dankill said[orig][quote]
Sound like you recorded an album with a boombox inside of a trashcan on mono = KVLT


wow a joke so old you were still in diapers



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Apr 7,2009 11:37pm
I don't understand the ridiculous praise or hate for this band, they're a half-decent middle of the road black metal band. I like some of their music but in terms of recent American black metal I like Cobalt and Malkuth far more.



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Apr 7,2009 11:38pm
I dunno Sean, Dan knows all about the scene because of all the shows he goes to.



toggletoggle post by whiskey_weed_and_women  at Apr 7,2009 11:42pm
fuck that nigger bitch.



toggletoggle post by tomx nli at Apr 7,2009 11:43pm
album's good, band is good. going to the allston and CT shows this may.



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Apr 8,2009 12:56am
I definitely dig em. Looking forward to playing with em in May. And Mr. Rooney hit the nail on the head with Malkuth. Great band. Wait til you hear Castevet. Great shit going on here in the Northeast.



toggletoggle post by MikeOvDecrepitvde at Apr 8,2009 7:55am
The Malevolent Grain EP isn't even good, but WITTR shouldn't be judged based off of that two song EP. I don't really see what is so "hipster" about them, but maybe someone could give a proper critique as to why they believe this to be true (is O'Malley and Southern Lord synonymous with hipster now?). When I think "hipster", I think Allston, which these guys seem to be the antithesis of. Definitely don't agree with everything they have to say in interviews, but their music can be rather powerful and expressive, so based off that merit, I enjoy them.



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at Apr 8,2009 8:15am
I guess people call them hipster because they have "post"-rock and drone tendencies and people who don't really listen to metal but listen to stuff on Southern Lord. I don't buy into that bullshit, Southern Lord has some great bands, and WITTR is one of them.

goatcatalyst said[orig][quote]
Berets in the Forest.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Apr 8,2009 10:01am
One of the reasons why they are labeled "hipsters" is beacause they're extremely left-wing with their beliefs. Most black metal bands are far from that.

That being said, they don't tickle my pickle, either. We need more solid USBM bands.



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at Apr 8,2009 10:03am
we're working on that.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Apr 8,2009 10:09am
I should have said "musically they don't tickle my pickle." I could care less about a band's beliefs; that is unless it's political and expressed in BM. I listen to a lot of NSBM bands because I like their music, but I'm starting to get sick of politics being in black metal. Shits way overdone now, especially with the neo-wave bedroom NS pseudo-pagan scene.
I hear you Darkwor, NE needs more blackmetal to add to its up-and-coming aresenal.. I'm hoping there'll be some new bands popping out soon.



toggletoggle post by sever at Apr 8,2009 10:22am
BobNOMAAMRooney said[orig][quote]
I don't understand the ridiculous praise or hate for this band, they're a half-decent middle of the road black metal band.



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Apr 8,2009 11:06am
I think the hipster stigma comes from the sort of non-traditional metal fan that they tend to attract. And while I would like to feed the vast majority of these homely post-ironic pseudo-pederasts to my glorious ovens, I hope that they and their bearded, Williamsburgian wallets will pay homage at the Ipsissimerch table on the 25th.



toggletoggle post by KEVORD  at Apr 8,2009 11:12am
I like everything WITTR has done. It's enevitable that the praise they've received over the past year or so would cause a backlash. I guess it's cool now to say they are a hipster band and suck.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Apr 8,2009 11:17am
VELVET CACOONNN



toggletoggle post by MikeOvDecrepitvde at Apr 8,2009 11:22am
I didn't realize those types actually listened to WITTR. It would appear that these hipster dandies find out about one single band of a specific genre, and attach themselves to said band? Seems to me like these kids probably don't even like WITTR, or Black Metal in general, but just say they do in order to appear obscure. I'm sure these same oxygen thieves wouldn't be rushing out to purchase [enter underground black metal band of your choosing].



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Apr 8,2009 11:26am
There's a lo-fi band from connecticut called HAVE A NICE LIFE that also have a black metal project. I'm not 100% sure but I've heard they've got that "hipster" following as well.
They've got a song called "waiting for black metal records to come in the mail" or something like that.



toggletoggle post by KEVORD  at Apr 8,2009 11:29am
It's the same kids who listen to Sunn O))) cause they think it's cool. I'm way to old to care what some hipster douche think's is cool to be into. I listen to what I like.



toggletoggle post by DYA NLI at Apr 8,2009 11:37am
I despise the white-belted as much as anybody, but sometimes I wonder about the criteria by which some of these bands are labeled "hipster." Seems like often as not it's, "wore wrong t-shirt," "is friends with non-metal folk," "doesn't vocally haet teh niggers," or "got a record out before my band."



toggletoggle post by MikeOvDecrepitvde at Apr 8,2009 11:39am
Yeah DYA, that's what I'm saying. It's almost tantamount to McCarthyism.

"YOU'RE A HIPSTER!"



toggletoggle post by DYA NLI at Apr 8,2009 11:39am
Sometimes the hipster witchhunt looks an awful lot like the NS witchhunt that the antifa kiddies are so into.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Apr 8,2009 11:49am
I think you're missing the point.

Look at your traditional black metal bands. Given, some of the bands are excellent musicians, but you have to keep in mind that "image" played an important role in blackmetal from Day 1. Most people are on the boat as image doesn't mean squat and it's all about the music - but I can assure you that black metal's image is just as important as the music and message. It's like saying Avril Levine is a true punk rocker.

Blackmetal was known for Corpse paint, Satan, death, bitches, misanthropy, misogyny, and so on.
Obviously the genre has evolved at an incredible rate. To me, the black metal "image" that bands portray is not what it used to be.
Watain is one of the few bands that pulls it off sucessfully. but if you look at your average local band that wears corpse paint and goes all out, chances are they'll get laughed at.

Shit's complex, and WIITR aren't your traditional black metal band, whether it be image or beliefs.

That being said, it's about the music nowadays (for the most part) and they seem like an average band that doesn't deserve the hype. They aren't a BAD band, but an unorthodox black metalish band from the Pacific Northwest that has a hipster following.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Apr 8,2009 11:54am
And yes, labelling shit is stupid. Music is music.

The big point is: death to the hipster scene, regardless of what bands they like. Hipster girls are alright-looking sometimes but they're still a bunch of herders that lack individualism and free-thought.



toggletoggle post by MikeOvDecrepitvde at Apr 8,2009 12:08pm
I'd argue that some of their beliefs correlate to the romanticized ideals of certain classic Black Metal artists. A longing to return to a more pastoral existence, where man is living more in accordance with nature. Though they are opposed to NS ideology and discrimination, they seem more like separatists; dropping out of society to live on a farm, rejecting excessive materialism and utilizing only what they need to get by. That's just what I've gathered from a few interviews I've read, and I could be wrong. I also know exactly what you're saying about image, and I'm not discarding it's significance. But there are plenty of bands who dress the part, and their music has absolutely no substance. I appreciate the more esoteric aspects that some Black Metal bands promote (Deathspell Omega, anyone?), as opposed to writing lyrics about mutilating whores, rocking out for Satan, and how many spikes they can fit on their gauntlets.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Apr 9,2009 7:35am
we need more bands like Bog of the Infidel. i like WITTR, they aren't spectacular, but they provide excellent background atmosphere. i do agree that the enthusiasm in the image of black metal is dying, i have a big problem with bands who don't take enthusiastic photos. curl your fingers and roll your eyes, damn it!



toggletoggle post by Darnli at Apr 9,2009 11:24am
[QUOTE=Hipster girls are alright-looking sometimes but they're still a bunch of herders that lack individualism and free-thought.


Because metal fans are incredibly individualistic and free thinking. DENIM AND LEATHER BROUGHT US ALL TOGETHER.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Apr 9,2009 11:37am
you can generalize all you want, but not all metal people fall into that mold.. although it is the general accepted metal "fashion."

but you do have a point, the more patches one has on their denim vest or jacket, the more scene points and veteran status they have.
SM:10



toggletoggle post by Darnli at Apr 9,2009 12:01pm
It's a way more accurate generalization than anything about "hipster girls." The herd mentality of metal fans doesn't stop at the fashion, either. Witness how for every succesful band, a thousand assholes pick up guitars to create a new genre(lol) by shamelessly ripping them off. Death/black metal band logos. Holy fuck.



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Apr 9,2009 12:23pm
That's why I listen to Joy Division and stroke off to pictures of emaciated girls with short hair.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Apr 9,2009 1:18pm
I get your drift.

I'm just sick of all people who don't have any true identity or individualism.
Sadly, a number of people want to "look" metal or "act" metal just to be part of something bigger than themselves. They want to be part of that counter-culture to fit in.
I guess what I'm trying to say is more people need to fucking sit back and realize who they are before they join any herd. Stupid statement and cliche, but hopefully I'm not alone on this one..



toggletoggle post by DYA NLI at Apr 9,2009 1:38pm
MOO



toggletoggle post by Pires at Apr 14,2009 5:45pm
is wolves also playing in providence in may???



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