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returntothepit >> discuss >> Classical Music for Metalheads by Conservationist on Jul 10,2008 1:29pm
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toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jul 10,2008 1:29pm edited Jul 11,2008 6:47pm
Classical music offers what everyone secretly wishes metal would: an unbroken cultural tradition untamed by the modern whore, untouchable by the mediocre tools who seem to thrive in our industrial cities.

Here's a few favorites:

1. Brahms, Johannes - Get your Romanticism on. Flowing, diving, surging passages which storm through tyrannical opposition to reach some of the most Zen states ever put to music. 4 Symph. (2CD)

2. Respighi, Ottorino - Italian music is normally inconsequential. This has an ancient feeling, a sense of weight that can only be borne out in an urge to reconquest the present with the past. Pines, Birds, Fountains of Rome

3. Saint-Saens, Camille - Like DeBussy, but with a much wider range, this modernist Romantic rediscovers all that is worth living in the most warlike and bleak of circumstances. Symph. 3

4. Bruckner, Anton - Writing symphonic music in the spirit of Wagner, Bruckner makes colossal caverns of sound which evolve to a sense of great spiritual contemplation, the first "heaviness" on record.Romantic Symphony

5. Schubert, Franz - A sense of power emerging from darkness, and a clarity coming from looking into the halls of eternity, as translated by the facile hand of a composer who wrote many great pieces before dying young. Symph. 8 & 9

6. Paganini, Niccolo - Perhaps the original Hessian, this long-haired virtuoso wore white face paint, had a rumored deal with the devil, and made short often violent pieces that made people question their lives and their churches. 24 Caprices

Excerpted from one of my blog posts at Metal Blog. For more information, see the original metal/classical fansite, The Dark Legions Archive.



toggletoggle post by aril at Jul 10,2008 1:32pm
Classical music is great. I'm a huge fan of early classical music, specifically the Baroque and Classical era. I like some of the Romantic composers but for some reason I've always perfered Baroque...



toggletoggle post by Martins   at Jul 10,2008 1:43pm
aril said[orig][quote]
Classical music is great. I'm a huge fan of early classical music, specifically the Baroque and Classical era. I like some of the Romantic composers but for some reason I've always perfered Baroque...


LOL

Only Classical music is Classical. Baroque is Baroque and Romantic is Romantic.
[/douchebaggery]

I prefer Romantic music but the simplicity and catchiness of Baroque era music is fantastic. Think Handel or Monteverdi.



toggletoggle post by aril at Jul 10,2008 1:59pm
haha yea, it's funny how the generic term for all of it is "Classical Music" and yet there's a whole bunch of eras.



toggletoggle post by Martins   at Jul 10,2008 2:02pm
I took a class on Baroque music first semester last year and it ruled. I had a great teacher (world renowned, supposedly. He ruled at the [forte]piano and harpsichord).

Baroque music is basically where all modern music stemmed from.



toggletoggle post by Lame Crook at Jul 10,2008 2:54pm
IMHO nothing can top "Symphonie Fantastique" by Hector Berlioz



toggletoggle post by Martins   at Jul 10,2008 3:02pm
I have yet to check out Berlioz. I need to get on that.



toggletoggle post by Lame Crook at Jul 10,2008 3:08pm



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jul 10,2008 3:24pm
Martins said[orig][quote]
Only Classical music is Classical. Baroque is Baroque and Romantic is Romantic.


Actually, most classical fans accept the generic use now, but will specificy "the classical period" when they mean that type of music.




toggletoggle post by aril at Jul 10,2008 3:28pm
Edvard Greig is another good one to check out.
Vivaldi, Handel, Bach.
The problem with classical music (if you call it a problem) is that Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, etc. have the ultimate spotlight when it comes to it. A lot of people who aren't really deep into classical music don't really delve deeper into other composers. There's so many, and so many awesome ones.



toggletoggle post by thuringwethil at Jul 10,2008 3:43pm
Penderecki
Bartok
Ligeti
Xenakis
and OF COURSE P.D.Q. Bach



toggletoggle post by aril at Jul 10,2008 3:50pm
Bartok is the shit.



toggletoggle post by blue  at Jul 10,2008 3:57pm
Liszt shitting all over y'all.



toggletoggle post by aril at Jul 10,2008 3:59pm
I heard John Williams pwns every composer that ever existed. Is this true?



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jul 10,2008 4:27pm
GUSTAV HOLST FTW



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jul 10,2008 4:48pm
aril said[orig][quote]

The problem with classical music (if you call it a problem) is that Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, etc. have the ultimate spotlight when it comes to it. A lot of people who aren't really deep into classical music don't really delve deeper into other composers. There's so many, and so many awesome ones.


That's why we share the MP3s...

http://www.corrupt.org/transcendence/forum/index.php?board=1.0



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jun 24,2009 5:16pm
I went from being a metalhead who had a couple classical albums to a classical and metal listener. The two musics are really similar: like metal, classical strings together a series of riffs to tell a story.

My favorite composers are:

* Franz Schubert
* Ottorino Respighi
* Gustav Faure
* Anton Bruckner
* Camille Saint-Saens
* Ludwig van Beethoven
* Robert Schumann

All of these dudes are extremely "metal": stormy, powerful, dark and lawless music.

Some of my transition was inspired by the Talk Classical metal forum and "Classical Music for Metal Fans".

Anyone else listen to classical?



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Jun 24,2009 6:22pm
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
Some of my transition was inspired by the Talk Classical metal forum


It's hilarious checking out that forum and finding such a contrast - here we find metalheads who all have a huge respect for classical music, who are educated about it and have listened to it, and at that forum are people who are supposedly above everyone else because they're classical music purists, don't understand metal and berate and belittle everyone who has something to say about it. I love it.

I've listened to a lot of Franz Schubert, Mozart (Agnus Dei especially), you can't find music better than that really.



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at Jun 24,2009 6:23pm
^^ that was me. DYA thinks he owns my PC.



toggletoggle post by Martins   at Jun 24,2009 6:46pm
From that forum:
"Metal is the worst genre of pop music. Funk, hip-hop and reggae are the best."



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jun 24,2009 7:21pm



toggletoggle post by Doomkid nli at Jun 24,2009 9:04pm
I went and read those two threads, how can you even discuss music with people who dismiss everyone who doesn't play classical or jazz as lacking in musicianship?

It is funny to see classical music geeks trolling against metal heads.



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 24,2009 10:43pm
I consider my love of metal to have been born from my love of classical. Dmitri shostakovich, and Bela bartok being my respectful 1&2. Hey, anyone wanna do a trip to the berkshires to Tanglewood to see the BSO?



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at Jun 24,2009 11:57pm
meeeeeeeeeeeeee



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 25,2009 12:25am
let's do it man... let me look at some dates..



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 25,2009 12:38am
Ok, this is the best one all summer. We should take the day off and go out there early, it's fucking amazing out there. Rachmaninoff, and Shostakovich... it's gonna be some seriously fucking amazing stuff. Both of these particular pieces are among my favs too.

August 14 2009, Friday 8:30 PM

Rachmaninoff and Shostakovich

Koussevitzky Music Shed
Lenox, MA

Michael Tilson Thomas, conductor
Yefim Bronfman, piano

RACHMANINOFF
Piano Concerto No. 3
SHOSTAKOVICH
Symphony No. 5




toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 25,2009 12:40am
fuck it, that whole weekend looks good... you in?

August 15 2009, Saturday 8:30 PM

Beethoven, Liszt and Ravel
Koussevitzky Music Shed
Lenox, MA

André Previn, conductor
Jean-Yves Thibaudet, piano

BEETHOVEN
Symphony No. 4
LISZT
Piano Concerto No. 2
RAVEL
La Valse
August 16 2009, Sunday 2:30 PM

All-Brahms Program
Koussevitzky Music Shed
Lenox, MA

Kurt Masur, conductor
Garrick Ohlsson, piano
Tanglewood Music Center Orchestra

BRAHMS
Piano Concerto No. 2
BRAHMS
Symphony No. 2



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at Jun 25,2009 9:18am
Lenox, damn that's out there. Count me in Jimbo, let's leave as early as possible. It's at this place



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at Jun 25,2009 9:19am
And it takes an hour shooting down the pike.



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 25,2009 11:24am
oh i've been there many times. It's fucking awesome. There's a cheap motel we can hit up about a 10min walk from the place. They sell full bottles of redwine to drink on the grass, and you can smoke weeds all day and not be bothered.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Jun 25,2009 11:26am
Edward Elgar has some of the most beautiful Cello concertos.

I recommended his Cello Concerto in E Minor - Op. 85



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 25,2009 12:45pm
dudes if you guys are really planning a trip like that inform me, i would love to see that. that sounds like a phenomenal weekend.



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 25,2009 12:46pm
consider yourself informed. I'll buy tickets this weekend, call me and we can figure out details.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 25,2009 1:24pm
that trip does sound intriguing.

I was just having this discussion last week with some lady I work with:
classical music is very intense live. seeing all the different instruments performing their parts, the passion, the musicianship. it's an awesome experience



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 25,2009 1:49pm
And hearing all the little clicks and clacks really makes a difference too. Not to mention at Tanglewood the overall atmosphere couldn't be any nicer. I think all in all Tanglewood is 2 square miles (including parking) so while not watching performances you can walk and look at some of the most beautiful scenery in NE.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 25,2009 3:15pm
i'm in.



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 25,2009 3:22pm
word, i spoke to Jon a couple hours ago and he's all in too. So we'll all take that Friday off (the 14th of August) and we'll drive up early and see the show friday, the rehearsal sat morning, the show saturday, the show sunday afternoon, and then head back to the city.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jun 25,2009 5:58pm
BoarcorpseJimbo said[orig][quote]
I consider my love of metal to have been born from my love of classical.


Me too. Without classical, I never would have understood death metal.

Doomkid%20nli said[orig][quote]
I went and read those two threads, how can you even discuss music with people who dismiss everyone who doesn't play classical or jazz as lacking in musicianship?


They're pretty irritating about it. A selection:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Herzeleide View Post
None, zero, zilch; don't go near it, it's terrible.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bach View Post
Metal is the worst genre of pop music. Funk, hip-hop and reggae are the best.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bach View Post
metalheads are ugly and gross. Those 'metal' girls make me want to hurl and the boys look like smelly unkempt yokels with tasteless, revolting piercing through every flap of skin. (and if they don't look like that that's only because they're too pussy or their mum won't let them - not through want of desire) They all look brain dead (which they must be) and they all deserve to be shot.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bach View Post
Nobody of any worth is a metalhead.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bach View Post
Or we could just ban anyone who expresses even the vaguest interest in becoming interested in becoming interested in metal. Or we could just stone them.. that's always a viable option.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sam richards View Post
It is the fact Conservationist and most of the ANUSites (yes, you included) pretend to know about classical music when it's obvious that doesn't have the knowledge to discuss Classical. This is not a Metal forum.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirror Image View Post
That reason alone, and the fact that I hate metal or any kind of "music" which lacks real musicianship, should be reason enough to avoid it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bach View Post
But we still hate you and think your facile and pretentious breed of pop music is only fit to line a dust bin.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bach View Post
They're all geeky satanists and their music sounds like sped up computerised noise with foul vocals and laughable subject matters.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirror Image View Post
Real musicians don't play metal, they play classical and jazz. Rock, metal, country, etc. are all styles of music that were created, in my opinion, because these "musicians" couldn't play classical or jazz and obviously showed no desire to do so, which in turn, means they don't understand the kind of commitment it takes to become a virtuoso on their instrument. But instrumentalists aside, there aren't any rewarding qualities about metal that interests me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirror Image View Post
That was a hilarious post. Thanks for the laugh.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirror Image View Post
You won't be seeing me listening to metal either....ever. I don't listen to nonsense.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bach View Post
Metal isn't musicians music. I simply don't know any musicians of considerable talent who value it as an art form...as if these drugged out D- students have any right to discuss anything academic..

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirror Image View Post
Metal is nonsense. It's all rooted in something that doesn't serve any purpose. It's only purpose, it seems, is to make people bash beer bottles on their heads and run around in a mosh pit like some uncivilized tribal ritual. The only difference here is people get hurt for no reason.




toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 25,2009 6:00pm
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
BoarcorpseJimbo said[orig][quote]
I consider my love of metal to have been born from my love of classical.


Me too. Without classical, I never would have understood death metal.



wow, we agree 100% on something.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jun 25,2009 6:44pm
BoarcorpseJimbo said[orig][quote]
wow, we agree 100% on something.


It happens. Quantum physics proven right yet again?



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