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returntothepit >> discuss >> wow, I might actually want to see this movie by HailTheLeaf on Mar 17,2006 10:20am
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toggletoggle post by HailTheLeaf  at Mar 17,2006 10:20am
Anarchism, Hollywood-Style

'V for Vendetta' is a pro-revolutionary, action-adventure romp that makes other political films look like 'Little House on the Prairie.'

http://www.alternet.org/movies/33579/



toggletoggle post by F.A.C.E. at Mar 17,2006 10:33am
JUST DON'T ASK ME TO SEE IT WTH YOU



toggletoggle post by HailTheLeaf  at Mar 17,2006 10:37am
I bet it'll be more badass than the Matrix...



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Mar 17,2006 10:38am
I saw it last night. If you enjoyed the comic you will probably like the movie.



toggletoggle post by HailTheLeaf  at Mar 17,2006 10:42am
is it worth $10?



toggletoggle post by F.A.C.E. at Mar 17,2006 10:56am edited Mar 17,2006 10:57am
I think you could find a better way to spend $10, may be put it towards an exhaust fund.HA!



toggletoggle post by Moran NLI at Mar 17,2006 10:58am
I'd rather see Snakes on a Plane.



toggletoggle post by HailTheLeaf  at Mar 17,2006 11:01am
I think I'd rather dump money into my new car than waste $400 fixing the truck, screw the exhaust



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Mar 17,2006 11:04am edited Mar 17,2006 11:07am
I saw it in IMAX and had free tickets...I enjoyed the movie for the most part, the performances were great and it was quite loyal to the graphic novel. There are a few flaws, but there usually are in these big budget flicks. The Wachowski brothers did a pretty good job, and it's based on an Alan Moore story...and the guy wrote the greatest comic book ever (Watchmen, which is also becoming a film).



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Mar 17,2006 11:06am
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
and it's based on an Alan Moore story...and the guy wrote the greatest comic book ever (Watchmen, which is also becoming a film).


Yeah, and he isn't happy about it, either.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Mar 17,2006 11:07am
I think carina and I are going to see it on sunday



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Mar 17,2006 11:08am
RichHorror said:
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
and it's based on an Alan Moore story...and the guy wrote the greatest comic book ever (Watchmen, which is also becoming a film).


Yeah, and he isn't happy about it, either.


About Watchmen? Neither am I, because there is no way they could improve upon perfection. Watchmen should just be left alone.



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Mar 17,2006 11:08am
Or about V for Vendetta. He's fighting mad.



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Mar 17,2006 11:09am
When it comes to campaigns of vengeance, a fracas between a writer of comics, his publisher and a movie producer is bound to be less cinematic than a scheme to blow up London's Houses of Parliament. Nevertheless, Alan Moore has been very vocal about his unhappiness with the new adaptation of V for Vendetta, his 1988 graphic novel about a future fascist Britain. Last weekend The New York Times reported on Moore's decision to not only remove his name from the movie's credits but -- as a shot at DC Comics and its corporate parent Time Warner -- have his name removed from every work controlled by his former publisher.

The cause of Moore's displeasure is not the movie itself. No, Moore was upset because producer Joel Silver claimed that Moore had given it his blessing. When DC Comics failed to get Silver to retract the remarks, which were based on a meeting with Moore when Silver optioned the material nearly two decades ago, Moore severed any relationship with the company. His reaction may seem out of proportion to the affront -- aren't movie producers expected to be creative with the facts? Yet it's easy to see why Moore has run out of patience when the system has been so cruel to his vivid and imaginative creations.

The British writer, who began his career as a cartoonist for British rock magazines in the late seventies, has long had a wary relationship with the film industry. For one thing, he has not written or collaborated on any of the screenplays -- unlike David Lloyd, V for Vendetta's illustrator who is credited as a writer on the film. As Moore once told the Guardian, "If someone's going to butcher my baby, I'd just rather it wasn't me." Including V for Vendetta, four of Moore's works have been made into movies. Another, Watchmen, has failed to make the jump despite innumerable attempts. Filmmakers have been consistently stymied by both the complexity of Moore's storytelling and his quintessentially English preoccupations.

From Hell (2001) was based on Moore's exhaustively researched inquiry into the mystery of Jack the Ripper. The filmmakers opted to present the story as a murky whodunit, disregarding Moore's wider examination of how societal conditions in 19th-century England set the stage for the Ripper's crimes and future atrocities. In the case of the 2003 adaptation of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen -- about the adventures of a crime-fighting team of fictional heroes including Allan Quartermain and Captain Nemo -- Moore's playful reimagining of the Victorian era's fantastic literature was lost amid a cacophony of explosions. The 2005 thriller Constantine was based on a character that Moore invented while writing Swamp Thing. It was Sting who inspired the image of demon-fighter John Constantine. He was played on screen by Keanu Reeves; in the words of Stan Lee, "nuff said." As for Watchmen, Moore's revered series about the murder of superheroes, the film project has been linked to Terry Gilliam, Darren Aronofsky and, most recently, Paul Greengrass.

Ironically, of all the movies based on Moore's comics, V for Vendetta is the most faithful. Though a work that was originally intended to demonize Thatcher's Britain now includes references to America's war on terror, it remains Moore's dark vision at its core. There's even a new scene in which a police inspector is given information by a mysterious gentleman who, with his unkempt, greying hair and long beard, bears a distinct resemblance to the now-uncredited author. However, if this hirsute figure is not intended as an homage to Moore, then Mick Fleetwood should sue.




toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Mar 17,2006 11:11am edited Mar 17,2006 11:14am
Aaah...that's unfortunate. This is probably why they took his name off the titles but included David Lloyd (the artist). I thought that was strange.

A lot of writers feel this way, I can't say I blame them at all, but that's what happens when you sign your IP over to a corporation.

At least he can be happy that the Wachowski brothers (or brother and sister) gave it a more loyal treatment than so many other properties. It had a few problems but not once did I question whether these directors loved the material they were filming.

If Watchmen sucks, I will take arms.



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Mar 17,2006 11:14am
Agreed on Watchmen. That's tied with 'The Dark Knight Strikes Again' for greatest graphic novel ever.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Mar 17,2006 11:16am
I loved the Dark Knight Returns and the Dark Knight Strikes Again both. I was kind of confused as to why so many comic fans hated Strikes Again, I thought it was brilliant, especially that part with the Green Lantern. After that I thought to myself "Why didn't he just do that in the first place?"



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Mar 17,2006 11:19am
Nothing beats Batman laying the smackdown on the Man of Steel.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Mar 17,2006 11:22am
Hahahah, the thing I love about Superman though, and I hate the character of Superman (Batman will always be my fave DC), but no matter how people portray that guy, in the end he will always save you, no matter what. And even though Batman gave him a well-deserved flogging, I kind of thought it actually ended up glorifying Superman (which is a nice twist).

Oh yeah, the promo for the Superman flick was at V for Vendetta, but there's not much to it.

Have you read Kingdom Come? Also great.



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Mar 17,2006 11:23am
No, I've heard a lot of rave reviews though. I really need to pick it up.

Welcome to www.returntothecomiccon.com



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Mar 17,2006 11:26am
Did you read Batman: Thrillkiller? That was pretty interesting, Dan Brereton illustrated it and it was a pretty good match for his 60s glossy morbid comic style (like he used for some of the Rob Zombie paintings, etc). Story was nothing special but the art was great. The Joker was a butch, a hot one too.



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Mar 17,2006 11:29am
Interesting. I might have to read it like a bum at B&N, if not actually pick it up.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Mar 17,2006 11:34am
It's definitely an 'art buy', the story isn't worth the $12.95. There are a bunch of those Batman Elseworlds titles, set in the parallel universes.

Kingdom Come is completely worth the price though. And Transmetropolitan, which I've proudly spent hundreds of dollars on (the trades).



toggletoggle post by hungtableed at Mar 17,2006 1:11pm
I bet it sucks dick. Big budget action films are gay



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Mar 17,2006 1:21pm
It's not entirely an action film, there are a few fights.



toggletoggle post by pisscup at Mar 17,2006 1:32pm
HailTheLeaf said:
I think I'd rather dump money into my new car than waste $400 fixing the truck, screw the exhaust


Typical hypocritical hippie. Get out of your armchair and fix your exhaust. You are destroying the environment.



toggletoggle post by HailTheLeaf  at Mar 17,2006 4:24pm
No, I'd be destroying the environment by fixing it and continuing to drive it, instead I'm putting my new car on the road, and never buying gas again...



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toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Mar 17,2006 4:56pm
Gawddamn shame.



toggletoggle post by DomesticTerror at Mar 17,2006 6:15pm
DrinkHardThrashHard said:


Have you read Kingdom Come? Also great.


For some reason, Gog and Magog popped into my head today..weird.
You guys ever read Batman: The Long Halloween? I loved that. Gotta go dig it out now...




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