I've been reading all of the posts for the vital thread...and I've read a lot of what Josh from Abhorred has been saying about Kenny over the past months.

I think it's fairly obvious that he was right.

I'm on the boycott boat, too. Let's hear who's on board.

Dour Cursiva-no shows with Kenny Lanning.

ha, I've been boycotting his shows since my last band

ive never had to deal with him, nor do i know who he is
but, we will boycott too

We'll boycott him in the sense that he never has and never will have any interest in booking us.

this is the list from the other thread:

BANDS BOYCOTTING KENNY AS A RESULT OF BEING RIPPED OFF
Abhorred
Burn in Silence
Cryptic Warning
December Wolves
Defyunlearn.com
Dehumanized
Dissector
Extinction Agenda
Goratory
Neuraxis
Pillory
Rigor Mortis
Sacreligion
Sexcrement
Teratism
Terminally, Your Aborted Ghost
Throwing Shrapnel

BANDS BOYCOTTING KENNY AS A RESULT OF BEING RIPPED OFF
Abhorred
Burn in Silence
Burn My Remains
Cryptic Warning
December Wolves
Defyunlearn.com
Dehumanized
Dissector
Dour Cursiva
Extinction Agenda
Goratory
It Will End in Pure Horror
Neuraxis
Pillory
Rigor Mortis
Sacreligion
Sexcrement
Teratism
Terminally, Your Aborted Ghost
The Departed
Throwing Shrapnel


It's not to late to join!

just so everybody knows...we were never ripped off by kenny...but he did try to get us to give him a ride home from the despised icon show...we weren't even leaving yet! he wanted to jet again.

for us it's more of a preemptive thing...plus I hate seeing bands get fucked.
We played with Rumplestiltskin Grinder in CT and those guys were really laid back and cool about everything. Touring bands cannot afford to get fucked.


...like someone said...this should be kenny's LAST show.

well, I've never had the displeasure of ever meeting him nor do I ever want that displeasure... youcan count any of my projects in on this one

is it just a boycott, or are the additional mesaures? I mean how does kenny know and what will be the conditions that are expected to be met -- both by kenny, and by the people that support the boycott?

I'd say it's goal is to eventually coerce him to stop putting on shows. Hopefully he'll know the next time he tries to contact a band that is boycotting and that band explains to him that there is a boycott against his promotions because he rips off bands.

the hope is to coerce him to leave the music world behind.

it's a bit informal...but it's the spirit that counts.

someone post a picture of him, i wanna know if ive seen him
im boycotting for the same reasons dour cursiva is. as a safety precaution.

RichHorror said:


Yep, we're on that boat too.

I think it would make sense if Josh or Brian wrote him an email saying "After petitioning for several [days/week/however long] the following bands have agreed to not work with you or attend your shows: [list]. We have all agreed to this as the condition persists in which you, Kenny Lanning, have repeatedly denied or neglected to pay artist who have worked with you under oral or email contract. It is our belief that this type of behavior is reprehensible and thus will not be tolerated in our music community. Let it be known that this boycott will continue until the following conditions are met and we have all agreed to desist from our actions: [demands]. Until this criteria is satisfied, the bands, artists, promoters, and musicians above will consider you a detrimental to what we hold to be important, truthful, and appropriate. For more information, please contact us here [contacts]."

that would be the most effective

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

rather than contacting Kenny, why not send a similar letter with a list of the people/bands boycotting to venues and promoters? I don't think he's worth the extra hassle to anyone if, right off the bat, a club or booking company knows he's a problem.

Keep in mind, Kenny has never ripped us off. We don't expect to get paid ever, but for him to not pay a band who made the trek up from Philadelphia is just completely unacceptable. I witnessed it first hand, had I not seen that, I'd probably still be on the other side of the fence. Sometimes a reality check is necessary.

Nick and Anthony, I've already done all that, I've even sent this information to his boss who gets him venues.
The boycott is quite simple in theory, those on the list don't play shows for him and don't attend his shows, no additional measures.

the_reverend said:

That is picture is fucking awesome!

Fuck Kenny Lanning. That is all.

By the way, it hurts my ego to see Josh getting all the credit for boycotting Kenny. It was me that started that shit, nigger!

WRITE A GODDAMN MANIFESTO
EXPLAIN TO WORLD
IN SHORT SENTENCES
WHAT IS YOUR PLIGHT
THEN, END WITH REFERENCE TO ANAL SEX
WORKS 4 ME

ArrowHead nli said:

TRUE! Pete is a critical figure in the shaping of this revolution. Pillory/Goratory have been the driving force more than anything else.

brian_dc said:

your stupid boycott didn't work at the vital remains show it was almost full

it would have been full if everyone I know who's been boycotting was there. we havn't made a big deal about it at all other than here, naturally the word hasn't spread.

rigor penis said:

It did work. None of us played it.

The idea was, we get bands to stop playing shows for Kenny. It's not a boycott, it's fair warning that people get screwed. And lo and behold! It would seem once again that people got screwed.

I really don't care if people go to the shows he DOES book. Just be smart, and don't let him book you.

I think a boycott without a clear goal is pretty meaningless. I mean if you don't tell him what you want, then how do you know what you want from the boycott? Give the guy -- and your cause -- a goal.

BornSoVile said:


I have no intention of working with him but I also won't join your boycott if you don't have a goal. What, to not have him book shows anymore? I think it makes more sense to say "Look, we won't work with you until you change in these ways" rather than a flat out boycott with no goal.

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

the goal is to never let Kenny book again because he rips off bands. It's not about getting Kenny to change, it's about getting him to go the fuck away.

kenny isn't gonna change...anthony said it best

Anthony nli said:

I've been saying shit like this for awhile Nick, I don't understand how you missed the point.

Anthony nli said:


I wouldn't have expected something like that from you Anthony. You're a smart guy, I'm sure you understand how justice works more than "We don't like this guy, he can go fuck himself!! LEAVE OUR SOCIETY!"

True justice is about recognizing everyone's right and liberties and even if we disagree with them, we follow a due process that is blind. I think Kenny fucks everyone, so I agree with the public outrage, but the smarter move is to follow a system that allows Kenny to fuck himself over and not make him a victim of our negativity -- which is what he will become if we just tell him to fuck himself off the bat.

The better move is to boycott and make a list of demands. Then Kenny can choose his fate that way. If he then persists and the boycott if futile, more extreme methods are necessary.

In this way we do the right thing -- we don't let our emotions overcome the situation and we allows for justice to go to work. If Kenny does change (the boycott can also call for him to pay EVERY band that he fucked), then everyone wins.

Nick, I've talked with Kenny about this...everytime it's the same he denies everything. Making a list of demands is a concept that is way to complicated for him.

does he only book for the palladium? why not contact the club owner(s) he books for and tell them he is a piece of shit, and said bands will not play there if he books the shows.

it's not even the not getting paid so much, im pretty sure most bands on here have learned to deal with not getting paid after shows. the thing that sucks however is for out of state touring bands that rely on that money to carry them to the next city, or show. If this dickhead is screwing them over, then he needs to be stopped.

nick, I agree with your logic...but how many chances do you give someone? When he says that he'll do better, and then doesn't...are we back at square one again?

When Kenny booked the Despised Icon, I heard that it was his first show in awhile and he made all sorts of promises that he had stopped drinking (since he was an alcoholic)...everyone saw him drinking (a lot) at that show.

I don't know. Would it be possible to find out if touring bands that have been ripped off by Kenny want to press charges? Just curious.

thedeparted said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I've already done that. Maybe if more people contact his higher up then we can do something about it. Before last night it felt like only myself, and a hand full of people cared enough about this, I think it's cool that lots of people feel inspired now to do something. How can we collectively assemble some good points?

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

you sound like you're being more idealistic than realistic. all the bands Kenny has fucked over will never get their back-pay from him, no matter what boycott terms are laid out.

He's a drain on the metal scene. It's unrealistic to rehabilitate him and make him change his ways or something, the smart thing to do is to make him go away. This isn't about due process and fairness, it's about blacklisting a sleazeball so that his bullshit doesn't get played out over and over again.

BornSoVile said:


fair enough, but the system works in that he fucks it up himself in a way that EVERYONE can see and there is no opinion or guesswork.

If we say he has to do very clear things that can easily and publically be recognized, in a tangible way, we can ALL see the results and check them. It will let him fuck it up in a way that can be accounted for.

For instance, "Kenny, you must pay all the bands you owe money to within four months. In that time frame these bands will not work with you and will speak out about the ways they believe you have caused them and others harm. If in that time frame you have paid those bands in good faith, and you have them contact us to tell us this (we will contact them only once (1x) at the end of the four month period otherwise), then you must be required to sign formal agreements with bands that you work with in the future. We will view the contract you have written up (it must be drafted with the aid of approved legal counsel)...."

etc etc

I mean in this way if he DOES follow through, then fine, like I said: everyone wins. He is in a position never to fuck anyone again, and if he doesn't follow these reasonable demands then he deserves his fate.

Kenny will quit fucking people over.
Just like he quit drinking.

brian_dc said:


I think it's a matter of the type of chances we give him. Putting him to an acid test lets him know clearly where everyone stands. A boycott plus demands gets everyone something in the end. If he really wants to book shows or feels that he is not in the wrong, then we can put him in a spot where he can prove that in a way we all think is fair.

I think the past experiences were all people working with him and him fucking it up. If we change it to him needing to have his responses to certain necessary items accounted for then it's less about how anyone feels and more about what we can all see, plain-as-day, as fact.

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:


he does have a point...if there's is something formal like this, on top of all of the bands agreeing not to play his shows as independent decisions (which they really all have been for the most part). It will really put the heat on him...he'll either fade out, disappear immediately, or (longshot) pull a total 180 and start treating bands right.

in my mind, Kenny has used up his chances, plain and simple. He should stick to menial labor and stay away from show booking.

brian_dc said:

plus if we get some kind of hard-copy documentation then I bet it would hold weight in court. It could be used as admissible evidence I believe.

I can explain this if anyone wants me to.

let's do a fest of all of the bands in this thread, have kenny put it on, and have nick draw up the contract.

then when he screws us, take him to court.

ahahahahah well I don't know about THAT but that would be hilarious

BOYCOTT FEST 06

it's a year long event/indictment

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

That's exactly what this IS!

Lemme explain this to the few webtards that decided to turn this into some kind of idealist debate:

We played a show for Kenny. He fucked us, and everyone else there. He ran out early, and would accept no responsiblity. We gave him a second shot. He fucked us, and everyone there AGAIN. He asked us a third time, we said fuck you. There was a bill a while back that everyone wanted us to play in Worcester. AGAIN, it was a kenny show. We said no thanks. Guess what? Everyone there got FUCKED AGAIN! More bands decided to play NO MORE KENNY SHOWS. Soon a big list formed, and people started mis-representing it as a boycott.

Take your idealist schemes of reform and tolerance and shove them up yer asses. Kenny's a piece of shit, and I for one don't think he deserves ANY chance. He needs to leave, and never try booking a show again. You don't agree? Fine. Get the fuck out of our thread with your political science garbage. Go play one of his shows, and get fucked. Then come back, like over a dozen other bands have now, and say "oh shit! Kenny's a dirtbag. We don't like him and want him to go away".

As you might see, I REALLY don't like that kid, and I'm sick of seeing good repectable bands get unwillingly fucked. If I have a chance to post, boycott, or do ANYTHING to spread the word, I WILL.

just so ya know, pete... I was completely sarcastic about this.

brian_dc said:

I understand that Kenny doesn't deserve any more chances, and I feel responsible for making this get blown a little out of proportion. I was just hoping that this thread would raise people's awareness and maybe make more bands realize that this guy would just fuck them over in case they are ever contacted by Kenny.

Kenny contacted us a long time ago and if I hadn't heard some bad things, his offers would have been tempting.

My logic wasn't to inspire what this thread has become...but when do these things ever go as planned.

fucking internet.

ArrowHead nli said:


uh...sure


anyway...

Giving Kenny the same chance over and over again is not the same as putting him to an Acid Test. You get him to chalk his behavior to a set of criteria that he clearly knows he is bein put up against. That means NO opinion, NO guesswork. What I am proposing is nailing the dude in wide-open space so that there is NO debate instead of saying "Yeah he didn't pay us but I can't prove it and you only have my word on it."


oh and FYI Kenny didn't pay us either.

ArrowHead nli said:

while i wouldn't have put it to you quite so harshly Nick, this is how I feel as well.

this isn't a political ethics debate in some college discussion section, this is a local metal scene. The idea is still to have justice, but in a simpler way, like this: " you fuck local and national bands, get the fuck out of the scene." Kenny is lucky he's not getting the shit beaten out of him as well.

Anthony nli said:

Let's put it like this. You act on your feelings of anger and don't pursue things in a just way, what does that say about your "scene"? What does that say about how you view "justice"?

I'm not a thug, I do things by a system that has integrity and honor. If you guys want to act like a lynch mob have fun but count me out. I respect myself and my ethics more than I care about getting paid at a show.

I wouldn't work with Kenny again as he did blow us off (we asked for $10 in gas from the Neuraxis show and he claimed he was broke) and he did screw Josh and Blue over with something I was involved in (he dropped the ball on the PA last minute). I'm not joining this "boycott" in that it's clear to me people are just out for blood and don't care about anything besides revenge.

If anyone wants to get this guy the right way I'm all ears, otherwise I'm stepping away from this "boycott" -- a boycott I view as pretty useless considering it has no goal other than that of an angry mob.

nick...i really think I fucked up in naming this "boycott"

my most recent post says my intentions.

you're mistaken Nick, this isn't about acting on feelings of anger. I think Kenny is a pathetic person and I dislike his actions, but I can't say I'm actually angry at him in any visceral sense.

It's about not watching this same tired, played-out situation of Kenny ripping bands off happen again. I, for one, don't want to bother with convoluted schemes that better fit some roundabout idea of justice. He doesn't deserve another chance, period.

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

Dude, it's simple boycott 101 shit. nobody wants to get political about it. the whole "campaign" is motivated towards AWARENESS. hopefully over time nobody will work with him or go to his shows and he won't have a job. it's simple dude, trust me. there is no need for a maniphesto or declaration. just don't play his shows or go to them. it's as simple as that.

In the interest of justice I am going to convene a summit between a KOHO Mario Lemieux Street Hockey Stick and Kenny Lanning's face. After initial talks fall through delegates from my right and left fists will introduce legislation to place sanctions upon Kenny Lanning's nose and ribs. In the further interest of justice my right foot will tack on a pork barrel addendum to authorize force against South Kenny Lanning's scrotal coast.

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

You just did. What did I just explain to you? It's not a fucking boycott of some toilet paper manufacturers. It's a list of who will no longer work with the kid... and you JUST ADDED YOURSELF TO IT.

Get it now?

You wanna save the world and have ethics, go join habitat for humanity. In a scene with a billion bands and like 4 clubs, there is NO ROOM FOR ACID TESTS.

Kenny is done. If anyone continues working with him, they've been warned. Eventually, our list will get bigger and bigger, and Kenny just won't be able to get bands to play. That's nature, survival of the fittest. There's no room for morality in nature.

Goddamn, Nick, don't you ever shut your sanctimonious, self-righteous mouth (keyboard)? Who the fuck are you to dictate scene politics to a bunch of bands that you don't have anything to do with, and don't sound a thing like yours. Looking at the list up there, I'd have to say it's pretty much all METAL bands, definitely don't see any Screamo in there. I really don't think anyone gives a shit if you join the boycott or not, why are you trying to force yourself upon it with the condition of writing this ripoff a notarized contract for redemption? This thread was started to make a list, not so you could play Scene Jesus.

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:

The above foremention exerpt is paragraph 4 section 2 taken from the complete boycotting manephesto against his tyrannical stuporness kenneth lanning.

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:

hahaha Janssen you are fucking hilarious

BestialOnslaught said:


for the record, I love The Taste of Silver...

and I think Nick's a good dude, too...

BornSoVile said:


a simple boycott includes terms. a boycott without terms is just a pack of people looking to unite to a common sensibility.

If the boycott were asking something of Kenny or an attempt to make him change, then fine, that makes sense. But the boycott is just so someone will say "See Kenny, we don't like you. Go away". That really isn't worth my time at all.

Not going to his shows or playing his shows is pretty unproductive. He'll just find other bands and other people, that have nothing to do with this board, will go. You'll never get rid of the problem unless you address it.

And when someone does, do you want to address it in a way that's civil, or a way that says more about us than him?

BestialOnslaught said:


don't mind Alex, he's just experiencing downtime from his usual set of threads like this

http://board.honeypump.net/t.php?id=32242&r=40

If he'll find other bands they'll be metalcore BSR ones, NOT MY PROBLEM!

though if BSR bands start getting to play with bands like Vital Remains, we will get pissed I'm sure.

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

But trying to play moderator to all this is worth it?

*shakes head*

brian_dc said:

you mean like Skulltoboggan?

What a genre conflict that must have been.

DeOdiumMortis said:


adding my two cents so that a movement that could have ugliness to it acts in a civil way = worth my time

joining a clique so that way someone can feel like shit = not worth my time

pretty easy set of equations there

i don't know what's creepier, someone pretending their alex and purposefully slandering him or the number of people who had serious replies to that thread.

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

Dude, you can try to twist this around into something entirely different, but I don't see how the fact that I waste some of my time shooting the shit with hipsters online changes the fact that you're totally full of shit.

brian_dc said:

yeah and there will be double backlash from the people who don't go here, they'll think the palladium hates metal or something.

And anyways, that gauge piercings thread was cool.

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

and you're posting links about Alex on honeypump....

BornSoVile said:


I'm not joining a clique to make Alex feel like shit.

I really don't see how this has anything to do with making Kenny feel like shit, though I'm sure a lot of the people involved wouldn't mind. I think it's respectable that bands are putting their names out there to support the message, it's better than letting the rumor mill spread the word.

Seems to me that all it is is a collection of people who have a collective reason to say "no" if Kenny asks them to play on a show he books, nothing more.

BestialOnslaught said:

exactly. as if this issue doesn't already have enough drama.

BestialOnslaught said:


I genuinely don't see what the point of the boycott is. And those "FOR" say "To get Kenny the fuck out of the scene". That stupid. What does taht solve? That we can run people out of town?

Someone said "in a town with 4 venues". Fine, we have 4 venues and he has a right that if he is going to book at any of them he is to do it in an ethical and responsible way. Clearly he hasn't. What we REALLY want is for someone to act in accordance with the as-yet unspoken rules that are to pay bands, follow through on verbal promises, etc etc. That's my goal. It seems there is another goal that people are talking about that they don't like kenny and just want to get back at him for fucking them over. That's not something I care to share in.

However, I do support the idea of being formal and systematic about the approach. I think it will do more good than any other method if you make significant, clear demands from him and give him the choice whether or not to meet them.

also I am under the impression that the "wrong" he has done is not pay these bands. I see no harm in asking him to pay those bands as part of the process, rather than just assuming bands will pay for their gas, van repairs, tour food, etc etc by way of us just running kenny out of town. If you really care that these people got fucked, why not make reparations part of what you are doing? If he doesn't pay you are where you are now, but you can at least let him know you aren't letting him get away with it, and that when he doesn't pay bands, they will group against him and cause some kind of action.

The point of a boycott is to get someone to

A) Change the way they conduct business

or that failing

B) Put them out of business

People boycotting him just to cut him out of the scene have every right to.

nick, the only problem with that is that the very people who have no intention of dealing with him would then have to work with Kenny to do this...most people are sick and tired of his actions. That's why you're getting so much resistance.

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:


you're agreeing with what i am saying, then. Which is first make an action to CHANGE his business actions, and when that doesn't work, use the SAME action (if not a new or greater one) to then REMOVE him from business.

fucking christ nick, way to be negative and shit on everything. if you were this concerned about the everything why did it take you this long to speak up? we're acting collectively here, there's no need for dictator to tell us how to do it.

brian_dc said:


you're right, but people are putting the cart in front of the horse. They are saying OK IF WE JUST BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF KENNY AND DRAG HIM IN THE STREETS, THAT WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

The catch is how the fuck are we better than kenny then? We are the kind of people that drag people into the streets after beating the shit out of them.

I'd rather put who I am before what I want and make sure that when all is said and done I am not a brute or some kind of person I don't respect. I'm not saying anyone has to join me, but I think this kind of call-to-arms (as people see it, not necessarily as you intended it) as just a chance to vent their anger in a new way.

If Kenny weren't here and people were talking about shit beating and running people out of town, I'd be having the same discussion. I'm totally against people acting in lynch mob fashion, but I am totally for the idea of organizing with a common goal for something that is, in the end, fair.

If Kenny fucks himself on a list of reasonable demands then he only has himself to blame. Truth is, right now dude's not getting it. When 50-100 bands approach him with a list of demands, dude will get it and have no choice but to answer to the list or deal with the consequences which will be CLEAR to him at that time. It's him deciding his fate, which to me is much sweeter in the end if he decided to be a douche.

That, Josh, is boycott 101. Boycotts without a point are just ignoring the problem.

I mean shit, I've been vegetarian for 7 years just about. Are they still selling meat? Yup. That's a boycott too ya know.

BornSoVile said:


dude you and I have a common thinking on this. Seems you are just mad that I would rather treat Kenny like a person rather than an "evil-doer". I'm being realistic about this. Treating him like Darth Vader is living in a fantasy land.

and I simply would not work with Kenny and that's that. I don't need to join a group to feel I understand my actions or ideas.

when I saw this thread and people's responses, I mad a very valid, very useful suggestion which I stand by. I would like to see your botcott cause more good than bad. To be frank, BSV, I am being quite positive versus the negativity of, quote "FUCK KENNY LANNING".

whatever nick, everything was cool until it bogged down by politics. thanks.

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

Ha, whatever you say Professor.

Look at how much diarrhea you've spewed in this thread compared to everyone else's basic, straightforward, short arguments. Are you just trying to raise your post count or something?

Seriously, let's see some credentials.

How about some info on the last successful boycott you directed Nick? A little proof that you're not just spouting a bunch of total garbage for the sake of feeding your own bi-polar ego?

BornSoVile said:


if suggesting how to have a successful boycott is bogging things down, then I have even less empathy for whatever was originally intended with all of this.

IT'S NOT A FUCKING PROFESSIONAL BOYCOTT, IT'S A BUNCH OF METALHEADS WHO PLAY EXTREME METAL AND DON'T WANT TO INVOLVED WITH A SCUMBAG PROMOTER, NOT AN ALL OUT PROFESSIONALLY DOCUMENTED SPITEFUL LEGAL ASSAULT.
It's a fucking messageboard, don't pull that matyr shit on me.

BestialOnslaught said:


I'm not organizing a boycott. Clean your thick framed glasses and move that wave of teased hair from your eyes.

I am suggesting if you make a list of demands you have the possibility of gaining more than if the boycott were simply about just getting revenge on someone. A Boycott that says "You can never book a show again" won't accomplish as much as making Kenny accountable for things and restoring what he set off-balance.

A boycott without a goal that whoever or whatever you are boycotting can answer to (or would answer to) is just a dummy that is there for looks. The real goal is to make this something Kenny CAN answer to and that something real, tangible, and necessary can come from.

I feel like I am speaking Taiwanese here....this isn't hard.

BornSoVile said:


SO THEN WHY HAVE YOU BEEN WRITING COUNTLESS POSTS ABOUT SOME KIND OF BOYCOTT

and turn the caps lock off. What are we, in 10th grade? Keyboard courage, yeesh.

I don't see how putting a ripoff out of business has ANYTHING to do with vengeance. It's good business. Face it, you're full of shit.

Nick, you havn't expressed any interest in this at all until now and they only thing you've done is put down the efforts of everyone. We don't need or want your suggestions. I am asking you very nicely to not post about this topic if it bothers you that much. Thank you.

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

BestialOnslaught said:

I do see Nick's point...but I also think that gathering a list of bands who will not work with Kenny isn't totally useless. I don't think it's a formation of a clique or a mob.

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

like I said, IT'S NOT A FUCKING PROFESSIONAL BOYCOTT, IT'S A BUNCH OF METALHEADS WHO PLAY EXTREME METAL AND DON'T WANT TO INVOLVED WITH A SCUMBAG PROMOTER, NOT AN ALL OUT PROFESSIONALLY DOCUMENTED SPITEFUL LEGAL ASSAULT.

brian_dc said:

Way to remain neutral!

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:


Exactly. I have no morals or ethics binding me as you seem to. I'll gladly run him out of town, you can just stand by and watch. Keep thinking all you want. I've got 15 years of experience playing in bands, watching clubs close down, and watching fuckwits like Kenny come and go. Idealists like yourself never make a difference except maybe to prolong the dying throes of some fuckwit "promoter" for a while.

Idealism is great. Morals are great. You took the high road, good for you. However, Kenny Lanning is still DONE. Sleep well.

If you're not trying to organize a boycott and you've never organized a boycott before, why the hell would you be an authority on how to run a boycott? Why the hell would anyone care for your input on the subject?

BestialOnslaught said:

Because, if you read the posts in this thread you will see that I posit the question that how will not playing his shows or attending his shows effect him if A) he is not made aware of it or B) he is not made to answer to ANYTHING except that these people won't work with him?

How does that solve anything? How does that prevent other people from taking his place? How does that prevent him from going to other bands that aren't aware of this and working with them?

Is the problem that he is ripping people off, or that we want to eradicate a person?

To me the issue is ripping people off. So have him answer to having done that. Have him pay people back and then some. Make it clear he can't do that shit.

Whatever Josh or anyone else is saying about "We'll show him by just not being there!" does NOT have a good chance of working as much as making a VERY present and real issue by making him have to answer for his actions. Just ignoring him is going to work just as well as the kids that boycott Nike...a company that has had little interaction with its boycotters when they have NOT made succesive demands.

The real issue is people getting ripped off. That should be clear above the use of big words, cussing, or ALL CAPS.

I think the list is very effective, the bands don't need to give Kenny a list of demands or explain themselves to him. If a venue approaches a band and says "Hey want to play this show?" and upon being told that Kenny is involved declines and gives their reason for declining the venues will eventually stop letting Kenny book shows.

It has already moved beyond the point of giving Kenny a list of demands, thus the need to completely refuse to work with him.

BornSoVile said:

How is asking that as part of your boycott, you make it clear what your goal would be...how is that "putting down people's efforts", pray tell?

By the way, Taste of Silver, I love how you took the time to quote and rebut every statement there except mine. Notice how your own words landed you on our list? Why are you still flailing? Is it THAT hard for you to embrace it?

Josh, add the fucking kids band to the list of people who won't deal with Kenny again, and eventually some day he might get it.

DeOdiumMortis said:


nah, I just see where he's coming from...it's idealistic but not realistic in this case. I'm not agreeing with him this time, because there's no way that his suggestions are going to happen. None of us are likely to work with Kenny and demand that he shape up so we can work with him. The point is that we don't want to work with him again and make other bands aware of what he does. We can work with other promoters or put on shows on our own and not worry about Kenny (ironically enough).


again, my point of starting this thread was to get some awareness out there...not to start a pissing match...but it's a messageboard so whatever.

ArrowHead nli said:


Adding my band would make this whole thing a farce. You do realize there's 2 other guys besides me in it, right? Whatever they choose to do is their own business.

This is what I have done,
I have communicated several times via phone/email to tour managers who book to him
sent a full email with a report on negilent actions about the neuraxis show and followed it up with a phone call to steve carr, the man who get's kenny the venues.
i've established contact prior to every kenny show with touring bands giving them a heads up about his actions.

that's what I'm doing, what about you?

BornSoVile said:


I haven't worked with him since that Neuraxis show.

According to you, that and that alone oughta do the trick.

BestialOnslaught said:

brian_dc said:

Twas kidding.

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

So wait, which are you gonna do when they're offered a Kenny show and they both want to do it? You gonna quit yer band, or are you going to show that you're spineless and cave in after you just said you won't do business with Kenny?

See, I see a problem here, nick. You like to throw words around, but I really think there's not one ounce of conviction in them. Your point has been explained invalid numerous times. You're just here to argue, aren't you?

the goal is to have him stop booking shows, we're getting there, i don't understand how you missed that after nearly a YEAR discontent on here.
you want us to make a list? that happens at every fucking show, you have a list of accomodations/requirments needed for each band and he fucks it up and lies about it. I've already sent him the list of bands boycotting him, that's the consequence from him fucking everyone over. everything is fine nick, you're critical judgement is not needed here. thanks for offering though.

BestialOnslaught said:


I am just speaking common sense.

Countless passive poltiical actions fail all the time because it is unclear to the person / business / etc what is going on. If no one says "Hey Kenny, there is a boycott for this reason and they want you to do this thing" then nothing changes.

A boycott with a goal, where someone says "Dear Kenny, these bands will not work with you anymore. We have cited that you have neglected to pay bands (you were made aware that you had stiffed them and showed no remorse), you have failed to orgnaize shows properly and in accordance to the ways and methods you agreed to do so, and you have shown an incredily lassez-faire approach to something that requires a pro-active avenue. For this, we all ask that you discontinue to promote shows.We feel you are unfit for this line of work. "

Things like that go the distance. Frankly, what I just wrote up is the wrong way because if you were Kenny, would you just abandon doing something you like because you were intimidated? It's possible he will feel that if he does he'll be seen as a coward and stand his ground on the issue. He may feel he has done nothing wrong.

At any rate, I expect that I've said all I can on the subject. I'm going to leave you guys to organize your rally and I hope ganging up on someone without providing any recourse goes well.

A boycott with a goal, where someone says "Dear Kenny, these bands will not work with you anymore. We have cited that you have neglected to pay bands (you were made aware that you had stiffed them and showed no remorse), you have failed to orgnaize shows properly and in accordance to the ways and methods you agreed to do so, and you have shown an incredily lassez-faire approach to something that requires a pro-active avenue. For this, we all ask that you discontinue to promote shows.We feel you are unfit for this line of work. "


I already did this back in September.

Again, get the word BOYCOTT out of your head. Brian has told you probably 5 times now that he used the word mistakenly.

Josh has made a list of all the bands who will no longer work with kenny. Hopefully, bands will see the list, see other bands they respect on there, and think twice about booking with Kenny.

It's that simple. This is not politics. This is not a movement. This is Kenny Lanning having more and more trouble finding bands that will work with him. He's already proven he can't pay out on nationals, and now he's fucked locally. Kenny's done, it's in very little part due to Josh's list.

I have no clue who Kenny is and I probably never will. I say everyone do as they please. Boycott him, beat him, sodomize him, have a lunch counter sit-in, a father-son talk or any other number of options.

horror_tang said:

A good start would be to try reading the thread! There's lots of info here on who he is.

I mean on a personal level.

He looks kinda like a cross between Squiggy from laverne and shirley, and little joey lawrence, but with way less teeth.

THREAD FULL OF DRAMA QUEENS

i hate this thread. if people want to boycott something, let them do it. it's obvious the bands have given kenny more than enough chances to prove himself and he continually fucked them over. anyone who doesn't understand that and accept the fact that they are boycotting him is a fucking retard. it's very simple. i don't think they need to justify it to kenny or to taste of cigarettes. in a perfect world, everything would work the way nick is suggesting, but the world is far from perfect, so it's not going to happen.

once again, as it was in the black metal threads, nick is acting like lisa simpson.

ArrowHead nli said:


uuuhhhhhh......yeeeeaaahhhh, riiiiiiggghht....great way to make a pretty decent movement seem ignorant

mOe said:



Who the hell are you? What movement are you talking about? Great way for you to jump on a bandwagon, when you've got no idea what the hell you're talking about.

the boycott Kenny movement, douchebag

mOe said:


Now try reading the whole thread. Brian DC called it a boycott. It's NOT. It's a list of bands that started when Pillory refused to do anymore shows with Kenny after Sausagefest and the Depised Icon show. There's no movement. Josh is making all kinds of efforts, but he's pretty alone on that one. The rest of us couldn't be bothered to ACTIVELY persue fucking this kid. We'd just rather spread the word and watch him find less and less bands willing to work with him.

Now that I've explained myself AGAIN in the same damned thread even, would you care to explain YOUR point?

BornSoVile said:

I want to say FUCKING RIGHT JOSH It's glad to finally be aboard!!!

HAH, wow thats how ignorant you are...you dont even knoww hat you did...this is why i will NEVER take a majority of the posters here seriously. "Hey get down on this cause..help the scene... blah blah blah... NIGGER"
Give me a break, and no i dont care if you were joking

Wow, offended by a word. Pathetic. Because I really used it in context of calling Josh a black man, and in a derogatory way too.

Dumb nigger.

OH, I's sorry fo' offendin you missah' white man, i's didn' know you's didnt mean it dat way...

ignorance is a great way to unite the scene...well, on the RTTP message board anyway

the vagina levels are running high in this thread. it's as bad as watching the view.

i still say Kenny Lanning is Andy Milonakis in a skinny suit

yea, being offended by racism is wicked gay, d00d

Actually, that comment was not racist in any way. You need to get over yourself. Sad part? I AM racist, and still meant nothing by that comment.

Politically correctness is ANOTHER great way to ruin the scene....well on the RTTP board anyway. Go change your tampon.

moe, i wasn't talking about you when i posted my last comment. i was generalizing the thread. too much whining in general.

ArrowHead nli said:

definitely.

dreadkill said:

SacreligionNLI said:



Man, that was sexist!

You might offend someone.

SacreligionNLI said:

indeed

hey arrowhead, do you play for a band i wanna make sure i never see you guys,

since we're all in a boycotting mood

ArrowHead nli said:

i was offended by you calling him sexist. comments like that are ruining our RTTP utopia.

Only said what band I'm in three or four posts ago. Try reading sometime. Otherwise, get off the forum and try using a telephone.

So sad, people like yourself fighting against every ignorance and injustice in the world while completely ignoring their own.

dreadkill said:

Well, I'm offended you're offended. That's it! Boycott RTTP.

that's it...everyone's being sent to principal victoria's tolerance camps!

So....

Pete's a racist
Moe's a vagina
Sac and Dreadkill are sexist.

What kind of hole of human filth IS this board!?

i just come here for the trannies.

in addition to being sexist, i'm also a nazi, a circus clown, a bird fucker, and a polar bear. i'm a modern day renaissance man.

Sad thing is, Moe must be white. In over 4 years working in the ghetto I've never once offended anyone black with the word "nigger".

Worry about yourself, let others fend for themselves.

STOP RUINING HARDCORE!!!

yea, sorry...i'm wicked white, d00d...but i have some black friends back at home and what you said was fucked up

mOe said:



A white kid called his white friend a nigger. Go ahead, ask your black friends how fucked up that is.

You're clueless. I've dated a jamaican and a haitian. My good friends are african. I worked in a ghetto of mostly haitian, african, and cape verdians. No employee, friend, or girlfriend of mine has ever been offended when I use the word nigger. I use it a LOT, too.

Maybe you might need to embrace the fact that you're too fucking sensitive on the behalf of others.

hahahahahahahaa

Good comeback. You're an idiot.

What band are you in again? I want to make sure I stay away from you. Your heart might bleed all over my nice new shoes.

Further irony, I bet I'd like your nigger friends a lot more than I like you.

OH SNAP! He said it again! What an ignorant asshole.

Normally I'd leave it alone, but Moe your myspace page is called "dat niggah."

this much is true, but its just the age old double standard of me being able to use that word as a term of endearment and you not being able to

and P.S. if you went into my neighborhood and called ANYONE that you wouldnt live to go on RTTP and tell about it

you're all a bunch of homo honkeys

mOe said:

Nice assumption. Apparently, you don't know me.

*wishes he were black*

mOe said:


That's not a double standard. It's ignorance and hipocrisy. A white guy calling a white guy a nigger is funny, akward, and parody. If you don't see that at this point, I give up all hope on you.

mOe said:


Idiot. My god. Heritage and skin color are different things. You wish you could put your entire family tree through centuries of struggle and strife so you could run around calling yourself a nigger? Try being happy just being an american, retard.

oh, man this is rich

i am a real american
fight for the rights of every man

mOe said:


Let us in on your joke, please. Otherwise, if feel like I'm running a race one-legged. You've yet to make any points, except by speaking for your friends and making assumptions about myself.

Why don't you try using your brain and debating your opinion? Or are you afraid someone might challenge your beliefs?

ArrowHead nli said:

He is of African-American descent.

That explains everything a bit.

So, you're a moron, and feel that by calling josh a nigger I'm somehow hurting you? Did I get the gist?

I'm racist, and pre-judge people based on how they look, so I'm guilty of the years of opression african americans went through, right?

You say I wouldn't say nigger in your neighborhood without getting killed, eh? You try being white in mine, and see how long you last trusting everyone equally regardless of color. Different worlds, yet both contain the word "nigger".

I would never judge you because your black. Actually, we've met many times, and I was pretty damned nice to you, doncha think? If we'd met in the middle of Brockton (or would you prefer I say worcester?) , however, I wouldn't ever think of approaching you or fucking with you. Amazing, how environment plays a role!

I will however judge you based on the fact that you jump to conclusions, feel discrimination that's not there, and can't even argue a point in writing. I wouldn't call that a nigger, just stupid.

I for the record don't have a problem being called Nigger.

Cracker!!!

I'm scared to click that link.

Worksafe?

This is what Moe really looks like

yeah, i have a black second cousin...twiced removed!

I thought moe was a husky kid with dreadlocks? I must have him confused with someone else.

dude, just stop saying nigger, lol

ArrowHead nli said:

It has one swear in it.

mOe said:



Yeah, and my great great great great grandfather might've owned yours.

And for some reason, you have issues with ME for this.

Seriously, get over yourself. In case no one has told you this yet, bornsovile IS a nigger.

this is the best day of my life

you can protest kenny by dressing up as indians and throwing all the tea in the harbor...

kessaris said:


I'm going to change the way I speak to appease a minority group I don't belong to? A minority within a minority for that matter?

As you probably know, slang and dialect is something you develop. It's not usually a conscious choice. I don't call anyone black a nigger. I never have, never will. I DO use the word a hell of a lot, and I'll be damned if someone is going to take it as an affront.

Keith@bristolcommunitycollege said:


I take offense to that because I like tea and if you even mention Earl Grey tea...

Okay, I tire of this one sided social sciences debate against someone who obviously came into it with an agenda. I'm off to get drugs.

I leave you all with one final thought:
Words are expression. As musicians we all appreciate that. The quickest way to kill that expression is to try and limit those words. Be offended, agree, whatever. But remember, offense, sympathy, whatever might be the intent of the expression. To try and take it away from anyone is the quickest way to completely destroy the music scene. Tipper Gore tried it once, and thankfully lost.

This isn't just directed at Moe. This is directed at anyone who thinks the best way to react to something offensive is to keep the person from being offensive. You don't like it when I say nigger? Fine. Figure out why. Attack THOSE issues. I could stop saying it, but your issues will STILL be there.

just checking in to remind everyone that I fucked up in titling this a "boycott"...though I don't anyone's thinking about the list thing anymore.

no time to read all of this...have a feeling it's not worth the time anyway.

brian_dc said:

your feeling is correct sir. it's a waste of time, but i still keep posting in it.